[I’m putting up some notes from a talk Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple, gave at a PackMUG event at NCSU last year. They were up in .pdf format elsewhere, but in the interest of googlability, here they are. ]Notes on these notes:These were taken as speaking occurred using 12� AlBook. I�ve made very little effort to edit these, only correcting glaring misspellings. A few times when I felt it was necessary and had not been able to type fast enough, I�ve added comments for context in parentheses.Woz spoke mainly about his personal experience and views on where tech has been, then cut off rather abruptly to take questions. The Q&A was the more spirited aspect of the talk.– Evan Z, 4/28/03NCSU PackMUG event 4.26.03, McKimmon center, Raleigh, NCSteve Wozniak speaking1pm registration2pm opening remarks, Arman Assa, Pres PackMUG2:15 intro – Dr. Marye Anne Fox, Chancellor of NC State2:40 Keynote, Woz, CEO of Wheels of Zeus3:45 questions & answers Ben McNeely, sec of PackMUG4:00 closing, ArmanWOZ, Wheels of Zeus – see http://www.woz.com/press/012302.html for press release / description of companyAttendance appears to be around the 600 expected.Only one iChat person available via Rendezvous, no Hydra(SubEthaEdit) participants available to share in my notetaking, two wireless basestations visible in Airport., one secured one not.Arman Assa:Assa is graduating senior in comp scienceExcited to be welcoming chancellor, Wozintro to�Marye Anne Fox:Chancellor � NCSU, a leader in science and techWoz contributions to world, technology;transition to tech related to personal computer, empowerment in career and collaborations, gov�t and univ – changed way university education conductedall the way down to elementary levelThanks to PackMUG for organizing presentationRequired persistence to get Woz � he has chosen to come to ncsu b/c dedicated to tranformation of education, dedication to spirit of studentsvisionaryHomebrew computer club to now, shown innovation and revolutionary spiritBecause colleges come together and are early adopters, place for innovation and new technology � using tech to improve quality of learningTechnology based education = NCSUEntrepeneurial spirit transforms what we do in educationThanks, Steve for being here�Arman:thanks to chancellor, intro to Stevebit of history, this is first visit to NCSU hosted by student technology groups is appropriateHe is engineer, entrepreneur – designed and built Apple�s early modelsTransition from private development to philanthropist, dedication to educationFounded EFF2002 founded WOZ—consumer wireless products with goal of appealing to everyoneThanks for comingSteve Wozniak:�There are 3 things certain in life: death taxes and spam.�time when no computersold tech � TV�s and radios on tubes, chips unheard ofSilicon Valley was just an orchardtrees came down, buildings went upspent childhood playing with circuits and popular electronics � TV�s came with schematics � you could go to grocery store to buy repair tubesTech has become less familiar.Tom Swift Jr – developed what was needed to solve problems of worldbooks give direction forever � �SOS at Midnight�, �Toms Swift�, inspiredIn 6th grade took up ham radio – Morse code – like early internet � communication using technology over distancebuild it yourself kitsearly science fairs building electronics for science fairlearning logic through electronics to do science fairWoz can beat most people at tic tac toe using psychological tactics. Played all permutations of tic tac toe when learning it.no idea at that time what computer was, that this would lead to what has passedbrought up to believe that world could be better and that teachers are important to thatgoals – first to be engineer like father, second to be teacheralways disliked that best tech was mainly for military and others, exclusive, not for peoplediscovered article by father about early computers – boolean logic and monitorseasy math and logic keynext learned binary logicdecided to build adder/subtractor in 8th gradevery personal stories so far, leading toward divergence of tech from privately held to reach people more broadlydetailing early learning experiences available to everyone – school, real world mechanicsvery attentive crowd – a few digital cameras, a few laptops – some digital video � is being streamed real-time onto webin high school learning electronicsteacher helping him find his first computer, learning fortran etc – knights tour of chess, first program: did what it was supposed to , but would take longer than universe would be around to complete task he wantedinvolving approaches, thinking, problem solvingstarted designing computer before regular people could afford the parts – started collecting tech parts from everywherewherever bright people are there are doors open – would sneak into stanford on Sundays to use machinespulled out cards from library copies of manuals and ordered manuals not available to normal peoplereceived no reward, no grades – rewards inside – never thought he could be designing computers then, too good to be trueracing against self to build better each weekthen goal changed to how small could he get itnext discovered instructions and began to work on smaller instruction setsif designing own product, can develop for fewer parts (theme of not knowing what can�t be done is prevalent)picked college for snow – go where you fell, you will achieve as much not matter whatschool you end up atin college writing programs on comp, ended up running his class 5 times over budget for all the paper and punch cards he printed – so left school rather than have to pay. Comm college in Ca.designed first comp on first job � called it the cream soda computersoon after intro to Steve jobs – same interests – electronics and pranksbomb scare – put metronome in locker = principal ran out to football field and tried to dismantle it – when door to box opens, ticking sped up, just for extra punchpong designed around home TV use – have to have pc at home he thoughthad to be company to buy a chip then, too expensive, hard to getbought first chipsthought �had start of apple in my hands�homebrew club grew to about this size (pointing to audience gathered, about 600)originally hoped people could use computer for organizing protests – other socially conscious causesfirst chats with terminals at homebrewclosest thing to hacking he ever did – dumping polish jokes into bb chat for terminal / homebrew clubnasty letter from Bill Gates re coping books etc from club libraryall of his stories seem geared toward the idea of user friendliness and moving forward – always better than whatever was available – using what is available – ie, better engineering�talk about open source� � we used to pass out schematics of what we builtmore stories about Apple genesis, from homebrew to first compSteve jobs �more ethereal�, Woz �more normal�.had fun doing free phone stuff – ran into Capt. Crunch – FBI hadn’t caught him yetStory: car broke down, used blue box to dial out at pay phone, cops arrive � both very nervous � what is it they ask, Woz says music synthesizerThey look at it, say �sorry, guy named moog beat you to it�dial a joke seemed like first chat room – only way for him to meet people – met first wife that way, she dialed in and he insulted hercapt curnch stories – friends at that time– crunch introed him to playing computers over phone at chessmore stories, then abrupt end; very little of Apple era, mostly his genesis as an engineer, what brought him up to invent Apple II.Open up for questionsq – tell us about origin of apple logoit was multi-colored apple – we have color and they don’t �q – views on open sourcemotivation same as mine , getting more done , academics contribute more – get bogged down in corporations delays innovationq – are you happy with where pc is todaycould have gone further � feature-itis, business considerations caused problems, ui guidelines gone or less important than everq – could there be a third platform company outside of Apple and Microsoftyes, there could be more, Apple & MS different enough to scare people from switching too much � but third one could always ariseq – Wheels of Zeus, what is?can’t talk about it yet, well known names will be selling them, consumer devices (implied Nokia or other European wireless company involvement)q – Is Woz an engineer at WOZnot spending time engineering, but evaluating – does scripts, test programs a bit – guiding technologies mainlyq – convergence – where is it going, share with crowd neat things he�s seeni’m a gadgeteer, love all the devices, pdas, – none have equaled the newton; desciption of newton – seems sad that it went away, still waiting for non complication – uses the Sony-Ericsson clicker and loves it to control his Macq – where do you see computers aiding aerospace industrynot current on subject, but has always involved computers, but don’t know where it is goingq – Leo Schwartz?tech tv � met him, nice guy … (pointless question?)q – when should kids star learn to program � (kid asking question)7th grade is best, 5th and 6th don’t get it , but 7th do – programming – cognitive development symbolic reasoning helps by 7th that isn�t there in 5th, 6thq – Apple and Universal, how to deal with mp3 phenomApple is going to part of the commercial world there – sad, can’t tape tv shows etc (seems sympathetic to mp3s) – apple is going to fit into doing online music the right way – Woz says not good sources � says �we�ll do it for a buck a song� (don�t think he was supposed to reveal that before the official announcement� )q – comment on brushed metal theme running amokdoesn�t bother me – changing look is a good thing, some decisions don’t make sense, but it’s progress � (why don�t you just change it to something you like is his attitude)q – where do you see future of computing in educationclass of kids with teacher with personality – computer teacher � (AI thoughts?) don’t see it happening yet – schools much more efficient, with problem solving teacher instead of leading teacher (he seems to imply a teacher to facilitate, but computer to do actual instruction � teacher helps individuals as computer leads class as whole�)q – eff �foundingcivil rights was a reason, freedom, not appropriate to talk about here, but very personal, wanted to get off board when political motivations took over, but still believes in cause (he seemed a bit wary of wading into political discussion or comments)q – programming ages – when should it be taught was thought, not one child – does it have more to do with predispositin, or cognitive devel (questioner says started programming at 8yrs old, is challenging Woz�s earlier statement � he missed the point of earlier statement IMHO)both, depends a great deal on person, but as a group its a problem for some younger kids, on an individual basis can happen youngq – is hardware mattering less, software moreMacintosh ushered software changes, now we’re moving to software being main difference between platforms and programming requirements � hardware convergingq – impact of computer on society – how should we shape society with techdon’t think about it much, can’t stop computers, video games etc, – can’t stop tech from evolving (Woz alludes to video game violence, piracy online � suggests these things will always take place, but can be guided � can�t be stomped out)q – music apple will follow laws – diminish fair use rights, copying from devices � where does sympathy lie – experimenter or copywritergood values are important – some rights confuses issue with music, teaching values is important piece – wrong to have machine that can do it, but disable it though � again, technology finds a wayq – disabilities and ease of use � born with cerebral palsy, want to say appreciate everything Apply has done to make able to use technology – thank youWoz you’re welcome, wish I�d been more involved in those efforts (looks slightly uncertain how to respond)q – apple 2gs – did you design, what was itdesigned in 82-83, outsold IBM etc, ads sold apple 3, but wasn�t apple 3 in picture (?) 2gs got designed, was around, took ideas from 2gx, was given credit, but wasn’t one of engineers (didn�t follow this exchange very well, as the questioner and Woz spoke at same time)q – what is best intro language (programming)tough to comment, I�m more of a hardware guy – but Basic is good to start, makes more sense at firstq – apple market share – issue of that – tech, ease of use – why is everyone afraid of Macchanges don’t happen overnight , slow change, people learn one platform and then don’t want to switch fast – sometimes important to be different – and �our computers work better�didn’t thinks ads (Switch) would be effective but they have been more than expectedq – Apple elitist?a little true, but part of it is appearances – have to be more passionate due to differences and struggle � Mac users know we have a specialness � �does every pc owner have a great pc?�q – laptops and classroom learning, how are they best to approach thatresearch is spotty, support is poor -but computer is most important tool in educational life – but we don’t teach it, real deep knowledge of it.expectation is higher with computers, so work is better at times vs. work done by hand (i.e., a teacher will grade easier on work done in handwriting because of implied flaws)q – design , biggest challenge to making design important (follow up question re: changing the world of design)ah! (seems unsure how to answer, amiably exasperated) �I did what I do , why is everyone shaking my hand� … changing world, just an idea – but hard to see early on – hard to predict where it will go, �but we did what we could�q—ham radio?�no, my license is expired�, not the same anymore, you don’t buy and build anything anymore, not what i wantq – have you voided warranty on your Tivo yet �� I�ve voided warranty on several Tivo�s� � �I like it and watch it, i have one in my hummer� with broadband and XM for road trip.q – favorite polish joke �pc is everywhere these days, stereotype comments get you in trouble � �what do you call call four Mexicans in quicksand – Quattro Cinco�� �I took a lot of heat for that one� – �when did the pollack die drinkng milk? when the cow sat down. – it’s a blond joke now�q – classic vs quantum computing – how long before reality, is Apple pursuingnot up on it, one of those offshoot that will never happen.. haven�t seen anything to suggest that it will become reality, some things possible (mentions cold fusion), but not happen on usable scaleq � manuals for apple 2eebayq � personal lifeemail, basketball � season tickets again this year, concerts � �I own an amphitheatre� – listen to xm, road trips, summer in kansas � play Tetris really wellq – describe typical daywake at 6, only one kid in school now, email at home = work at nine, or go to work at 730, then mostly email: lots of mac email, company business, deal with requests for appearances – moving into new home, so packing boxes, movies late at night, sleep all day one day on weekend, go to movie and restaurant on other dayq � true called pope?said was Henry Kissinger, used accent with bishop � while on hold, he checked it out, called him on it , said they�d just been speaking to Kissinger.q – went back to school?yes got degree in name of rocky raccoon clark… wanted to tell kids he went to college� �seems to be the only famous computer guy who went to college�q – iBox? comments – good or bad to have cloneslooks safer to have simple Mac, not confusion – not a great thing � we (Apple) were ripped off by licensing � discovered that the way to make money was tight control – better world with a little more cost as resultThanks!!!